“We had pretty much assumed that Jakobshavn would just keep going on as it had over the last 20 years.”, “That was kind of a surprise. A natural cycle in the Atlantic Ocean switches back and forth between warm and cold about once every 20 years, taking cooler waters far up the western coast of Greenland. And how is the water going to keep warming from ‘Climate Change’ if the air is not? Have they? These people have become totally lost in the world with No reference points to guide them. “We didn’t think the ocean could be that important,” OMG principal investigator Josh Willis of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory told National Geographic. They also said that much of the ice is in a canyon below sea level. Instead I postulate that the cause is mostly natural, but with a component of man-made influence. By ANDREW BURRELL It’s hard to believe that Kennedy could not have gotten her out of the car. So one glacier grows a bit. Over the decades the water has been and will be warming from man-made climate change, he said, noting that about 90 percent of the heat trapped by greenhouse gases goes into the oceans. (NASA Earth Observatory), Key Melting Glacier in Northern Hemisphere is growing again. Grow glacier, Grow!’, What a laugh. Unbelievable. Now we are trying to control carbon dioxide to prevent any warming? The WMO Global Cryosphere Watch network and the International Cryosphere Climate Initiative has prepared a report of the main events, based on contributions from different partners. Why are American taxpayers funding ‘climate’ studies at a Jet Propulsion Laboratory? No way to know that answer at the moment. I wonder what State Patricia is in? It’s all explained by only two solar cycles, the 250 year de Vries cycle and the induced PDO. Every class missed in California’s ever more liberal education indoctrination system is one less hour of being fed BS. Argentina. A record-breaking summer in the Arctic Temperatures in the Arctic are rising faster than the global average. This is a list of glaciers existing in the United States, currently or in recent centuries.These glaciers are located in nine states, all in the Rocky Mountains or farther west. To me that suggests that if all the ice melted, only the ice above sea level would increase the seas levels, the portion below sea level would form a lake or a bay or something similar. They are getting so incredibly noisy as they become desperate to get some freedom eliminating legislation in place, before this cooling totally destroys their scam. There was warming of 2C in the 1920s. Dave B, 26 Mar: Forbes: The Good, Bad And Ugly Of Greenland’s Jakobshavn Glacier Slowing And Gaining Mass Nature thought it was news, and it is an interesting study. I’m not suggesting that the sea ice will melt, but my point is, if sea ice is like icebergs and 90% of the ice is below sea level, the only part of the melted ice that would affect sea level is the part above water, the part below sea level has already affected the sea level. document.getElementsByTagName("head").appendChild(s); All the fantasy explanations for natural variability, https://www.iceagenow.info/trying-explain-new-zealands-unusual-growing-glaciers/, https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10818264, Diggin up something fro 2008 and pretending it is current, Strike 2. pfutz thinks “climate change trademark” happens right now and wasn’t happening from 1983-2008. despite the total absence of any proof of CO2 warming, Glaciers started retreating as long ago as the mid 1800s, and the fastest spirt seems to have been in the early 1900′s. Grow and shrink and regrow: that’s what glaciers do best! Fox Glacier is less developed, receiving a maximum of 1,000 tourists daily in recent years. But in the end, I foolishly feel there has to be power generated and things produced. It has been receding for years, and the losses were accelerating, but then it astonished the scientists. They appear in various texts. Greenland and Antarctica. That, with the sun spot reduction combined with this end of cycle is going to bring some quite cool years or even decades. Snow in weird places is coming to a place near you! It made the iceberg that “sank the titanic”. Relating ice melt to global warming is problematic. Wonder why? form your link: And other glaciers among Greenland’s 200 or more may also be expanding, suggesting changes may be harder to predict than previously thought, said Willis. : Keep it quiet for long enough and the loudest of the hollow vessels can retire and disappear into the ‘forgettery’. . Floating ice is lighter (lower density) than water. The Green New Deal resolution was always doomed to fail, since Republicans hold a majority in the upper chamber” More about politics than science. Erratics. The ‘Milankovitch Cycles’ does not fit in with their narrative. It seems not …. We present here a comprehensive record of glaciation from a New Zealand valley glacier system covering the critical 15,000-y period from the local last glacial maximum (LGM) to near the end of the last ice age. As the last Ice Age was ending 15,000 years ago. h/t Scott, and Sunsettommy for the Heller hint. What’s a bet the rivers of methane on Titan are following suit. This was a chance to show at least you supported even debating the subject. Each wiped the landscape nearly clean—changing the course of rivers, widening valleys, and rounding mountaintops. Maybe the inbuilt advantage of a slide rule was that it was solely operator powered? Get this from a library! Where is the largest glacier in the Northern Hemisphere today? Was that on the 31st of October? I suspect that “Josh” might have some trouble outlining the physics behind the term “trapping”. It seems they were not even willing to show their support, even if they knew it only had a snowball’s chance. It measured 30 km (18.6 miles) long, 15 km (9.3 miles) wide at its foot, and 7 km (4.3 miles) wide at its head, covering an area of around 245 sq km (94.6 sq miles). The Jakobshavn glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles ... Greenland glacier because it discharges the most ice in the northern hemisphere. “…the glacier is going to retreat even faster than it was before.”. “This cooling is going to pass,” Khazendar told National Geographic. Thanks Jo, Obviously the memo missed! Students at Murdoch University are being taught that the Anzacs who fought at Gallipoli were “killers”, and Anzac Day is a “cliche”. The Northern Hemisphere mean of SED ages for the onset of the termination, including the northern Yellowstone data, is 17.1 ky. The scenery is superb; the craggy cleft of the ice fjord unfurls below and the blindingly white snow peaks and multi-fronted glacier tower up on the opposite side. Looking at the long-range weather data, the researchers also determined that rainfall amounts have increased over the decades and springs are getting cooler. That is news. a lesser volume (about 90%). However, it seems very few foreign ski mountaineers ever make the journey. Where is the world's second largest continental ice sheet? Moraines. rapidly, then made slow progress to 2014. Kennedy and Mary Jo did go out for a little hanky-panky that night but they parked along the side of a road where their car was seen by a patrol car. That has always seemed like such a glaring omission from all the data being thrown around. How is it possible for surface melting to decrease, but for the continent to lose mass anyway? Gigantic glaciers covered the state, and then retreated. s.src="//widgets.amung.us/colored.js"; Sure. It broke off a 70 km (43.5 miles) tongue of the Petermann Glacier extending out to sea on August 4, 2010. The global climate has changed NATURALLY, and will continue to change NATURALLY in one direction or another then back again.. Or explain why the water is warming and not the air? Approximately 200 km 2 (77 sq mi) of the total glaciated area was in the Sierra Nevada de Mérida, and of that amount, the largest concentration, 50 km 2 (19 sq mi), was in the areas of Pico Bolívar, Pico Humboldt [4,942 m (16,214 ft)], and Pico Bonpland [4,983 m (16,348 ft)]. Now, I get that money isn’t real until you go to pay it back and that this great global rort is called banking. Another great post Jo, and further evidence that our Universities worldwide need to be emptied of all non essential activity. Perhaps the funding is better? 42 Democrats and one Independent voted ‘Present’, in other words abstaining to vote.” Cayambe climbs to 5,790 metres (18,996 feet) which demonstrates the immense elevation necessary to spawn 20 outlet glaciers from a 17.72 square kilometre ice cap sitting practically on the equator. Surprise: Largest Glacier in Northern Hemisphere has started growing again. Jakobshavn must yield, stable. [William O Field; American Geographical Society of New York. There is no empirical evidence that humans have anything to do with these NATURAL changes in the planets climate. At the end of his next term he should be in line for a Nobel Peace Prize although its credibility has been devalued so he may choose not to attend the presentation. As the LSE researchers note: “We argue that the utility and decision-relevance of these model simulations must be judged based on consistency with the past, and out-of-sample predictive performance and expert judgement, never based solely on the plausibility of their underlying principles or on the visual “realism” of outputs.”, Time lapse of the GROWTH of the Petermann Glacier since 2012, https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Petermann-2012-2014-2015-2016-2017-1.gif, Its taking them an awful long time to melt. Cheers, https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mbzybn/why-a-growing-glacier-isnt-good-news-for-the-climate-greenland-jakobshavn. iirc, the Petersen Glacier has also been advancing recently. Sharp mountain peaks. Although it’s been melting for 20 years, the Jakobshavn Glacier in West Greenland – famous for producing the iceberg that sank the Titanic – has now started growing again. This article was most recently revised and updated by, https://www.britannica.com/place/Humboldt-Glacier. What’s happening with the Himalayan glaciers where the ooceans are not a factor, but increased snowfall may be? . March 26, 2019 by Robert. As a result, modern New York landscapes are geologically very young. Yes it is warmer now than when most of these glaciers formed during the Little ICE Age. I saw plates on a car in Victoriastan that said “The Education State ” and I imagined it wont be long before its “The Re-education State”…. Northern Hemisphere ice core record of a highly detailed, undis-turbed climate record of the late Eemian and the inception of the last glacial period. Numbers don’t add up. Omissions? https://www.canberratimes.com.au/politics/federal/labor-eyes-financial-incentives-for-electricity-companies-that-cut-emissions-20190326-p517o9.html. Read the whole series and the comments – it’s sobering stuff about the mathematical limits, the fatuity of trying to corral divergent outputs via means or averages, and about the limits to long-range climate prediction. Iceberg - Iceberg - Iceberg distribution and drift trajectories: In the Antarctic, a freshly calved iceberg usually begins by moving westward in the Antarctic Coastal Current, with the coastline on its left. The Hawkmoth effect http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/57935/ is a bit harder to explain succinctly, but my amateur rendition is this: Models have to use relatively linear simplifications of what in the real realm are chaotic, non-linear phenomena (e.g. From 1680 to 1750 ice extent increased, then stabilized before starting a retreat around 1780. I can’t confirm whether the author’s version or Kennedy’s is correct. Where’s our Nobel? When they express alarm about sea ice melting they are showing how out of date they are. Labor playing “chicken” with reality and backing away from electoral annihilation? This chart shows the change in Antarctic sea ice mass since 1900. Having started out with the largest ice cap on Earth in Antarctica this two-part series will reach its grand finale with the world’s second largest and equally impressive though much smaller ice cap in Greenland. “Labor has devised a plan to offer financial incentives to energy companies that slash their greenhouse gas pollution, sources say, as industry makes a last-ditch plea for political bipartisanship on Australia’s climate change policy ahead of the federal election. “ Look: that glacier is still growing! Looks like icing on the cake for skeptics, https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/09/al-gores-inconvenient-freeze/. There could be some serious climate change we don’t yet understand. Yours would be a line at ZERO, just like your evidence level. “We didn’t think the ocean could be that important…” If total heat flux depends on global radiation and large-scale climatic conditions, this agreement may not be a mere accident, because these glaciers are all located at mid-latitude in southern hemisphere and data were mean values of December, then the differences of global radiation could not be so large. How do you “know” it is only one glacier? Greenland Ice Sheet, also called Inland Ice, Danish Indlandsis, single ice cap or glacier covering about 80 percent of the island of Greenland and the largest ice mass in the Northern Hemisphere, second only in size to the Antarctic ice mass. Both glaciers flow from high atop the mountains and come within 1,000 feet of lush rainforests. Be on the lookout for your Britannica newsletter to get trusted stories delivered right to your inbox. More practice at tiddly needed, by yourself, pfutz. Another cold winter or two may even see the collapse of the IPCC. Current winters as children should know, If atmospheric CO2 does actually cause warming, how come you can’t produce any evidence? View the glacier here over time (h/t to Tony Heller for the link). But I think the general story as I just told it is the more likely. Mounds of glacial debris. Pollster: By all cruicial metrics of polling Trump would be winner. exist only in the Northern Hemisphere. That’s about 6,000 years before northern glaciers hit their Holocene peak during the Little Ice Age, between 1300 and 1860 AD. If all that ice melted, the sea would rise by more than 7 metres.. This week, NASA reported what appears to be some “good news.”… Of course indoor slopes tend to be tiny. This was backed up by the log made by the patrol car and by friends who noticed that Kennedy was surprised when he learned the next morning that his car was not back. 42 out of 42 Dumbocrats didn’t want their names associated with a yes vote. A paper in this week's issue of the journal Science puts this enigma in perspective; for the last 7,000 years, New Zealand's largest glaciers have often moved out of step with glaciers in the Northern Hemisphere, pointing to strong regional variations in climate. Obviously the level of CO2 cannot explain this behaviour. Home. Greenland’s Jakobshavn glacier is gaining ice due to cyclical changes in ocean temperature, but that doesn’t mean things are getting better. The retreat pattern of the Jakobshavn Glacier is different from Glacier Bay, Alaska where data on ice extent is available from about 1680. First chart is, of course, total Antarctic land ice mass. Sea ice is thinner than glacial ice, and both sea ice and glacial ice can float. During the last glacial period, app. ... For some odd reasons I asked myself this question today about the southernmost northern hemisphere glacier. This shows what a huge difference there is between the northern and southern hemispheres and how ridiculous alarmist’s rantings about Arctic sea ice are. to the gullible West. Greenland’s biggest glacier, the Jakobshavn glacier, began advancing rapidly (almost 26 feet per day!) Like someone once said, with a claim like that, you would surely provide a link. We never hear them work so hard to explain some temporary warming. The ice cap is considerably larger and a small corner of it does cross the equator. So the grand coupled climate models didn’t predict the air pressure, the ocean currents or the glaciers, but apart from that…. ESA's Envisat satellite has been tracking the progression of the giant iceberg that calved from Greenland's Petermann glacier on 4 August 2010. Drumlins. “The good news is that it’s a reminder that it’s not necessarily going that fast. But it is going.”, Box, who wasn’t part of the study, said Jakobshavn is “arguably the most important Greenland glacier because it discharges the most ice in the northern hemisphere. ”At first we didn’t believe it…” 57-0 was that what you said , TonyfromOz !! The North Pole, also known as the Geographic North Pole or Terrestrial North Pole, is, subject to the caveats explained below, defined as the point in the Northern Hemisphere … by Marshall Shepherd I was very much on topic.. you just don’t like being put on the spot with evidence you know you CANNOT produce. Researchers monitoring daily satellite images here of Greenland's glaciers have discovered break-ups at two of the largest glaciers in the last month. http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j21/J-G-pics/Greenland_glacial%20melt%20slowing%20down_zpslcp0el4q.png. Not one of the 42 Dumbocrats there voted to even debate it. The Jakobshavn is the glacier that dumps more ice in the ocean than any other in the Northern Hemisphere. http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/greenland https://phys.org/news/2019-03-tree-swallows-expose-state-climate.html. It displaces its own weight of water, i.e. If more glaciers were indeed growing, why were they not included in the post? The Skeptics Handbook. Perhaps not much, but if the world was starting to cool, stuff like this would start to happen more often. A new study in the journal Science puts this enigma in perspective; for the last 7,000 years New Zealand’s largest glaciers have often moved out of step with glaciers in the northern hemisphere, pointing to strong regional variations in climate. For free and with no grants, skeptic Tony Heller pointed out it was growing two years ago. Streamlined hills. It was probably she alone in the car who drove off the bridge. The southernmost named glacier among them is the Lilliput Glacier in Tulare County, east of the Central Valley of California. It’s job protection. Uninhabitable. No wonder the US cannot get to the moon again !! The result was 57-0 AGAINST proceeding to debate. . Other evidence that the amount of sea ice around Antarctica seems to be increasing slightly is being used in the same way. The glacier debouches into the sea towards the south. Have a much greater cover of snow, WorldCat Home About WorldCat Help. It’s actually quite ingenious. So in 265,000 years from now it will all be gone! “Bit early to get excited, as the old saying, ‘one swallow does not a summer make’”, Tree swallows expose state of our climate. Pio XI is part of the Southern Ice Field, a large mass of continental ice, the third largest in size after Antarctica and Greenland. Is this another win for POTUS Trump? Oh gawd … doesn’t learn … Essentially all regions of the Earth were influenced by these climatic events, but the magnitude and direction of environmental change varied from place to place. And yet another “whole game on the bench” from an ever irrelevant pfutz. Guiliani on Georgia: It’s a bank heist pulled off in the middle of the night…. “That was kind of a surprise…” The cold glacial climate was interrupted by periods of fast warmup of up to 16.5 degrees Celsius over the Greenland ice sheet, the so called Dansgaard Oeschger events (D-O). “The thinking was once glaciers start retreating, nothing’s stopping them…”, But they still know! The churn that results from power, greed, colonialism and general ignorance rolls on and as with the authors of the “study” show the new game: Jakobshavn Glacier, Greenland Image: NASA. Been retreating since the LIA. And WTH is someone at a “Jet Propulsion Laboratory” doing spending time on ocean temperatures !!! Plus we have wasted all our resources trying to cool the place. Sort of maybe around this thread subject – otherwise O/T, “AOC’s Green New Deal goes down in flames, taunted with cartoons on Senate floor”, https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/26/aocs-green-new-deal-goes-down-in-flames-taunted-with-cartoons-on-senate-floor/, Maybe to be filed in the “humour works” category. Is there something to it? Bowl-shaped depressions. Someone in UK has mentioned cycles!! … a great glacier growing time! What influence but hot air? A useful series about the mathematical intractability of long-term climate prediction from models here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/25/model-land-butterflies-and-hawkmoths/. This has been OBSERVED and MEASURED many times. Where is the data from 1964 to 2001? The Last Glacial Maximum, also referred to as the Late Glacial Maximum, was the most recent time during the Last Glacial Period that ice sheets were at their greatest extent. ???? https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallshepherd/2019/03/26/the-good-bad-and-ugly-of-greenlands-jakobshavn-glacier-slowing-and-gaining-mass/. A great site to check out is Service Aurora, which is run by a group of northern lights chasers and tracks the aurora borealis in the northern hemisphere. Brasvellbreen, or Austvoll ice cap, Svalbard is the largest glacier front in the northern hemisphere and stretches about 180 kilometres along the coast. Besides, he just talked about ocean currents he somehow had no idea were a player and still doesn’t know when they’ll have an effect again. “Surely NASA needs to know about the immediate weather, not the slow moving Climate? Thanks! only accelerated when it reached the less constrained portion in 2003, then stayed steady for a few years.. now extending as the AMO starts to turn and the surrounding waters start to cool. The remaining 10% shows above the water line, but when it melt (with the rest) the effect is NO sea rise. As the great glacial field, The climate scientists calculate that the sea ice contains so many millions of litres of water and if all the sea ice was to melt because of climate change, sea levels would rise by so many metres. (879), More strange adventures in TSI data: the miracle of 900 fabricated, fraudulent days (878), Blockbuster: Planetary temperature controls CO2 levels -- not humans (770), Shock: Global temperatures driven by US Postal Charges (760), The day the Global Warming death spiral began (745), Skeptical view makes Australian front page: climate madness, dishonesty, fraud, deception, lies and exploitation says Maurice Newman (711). Berkeley Earth produced a surface temperature anomaly for Greenland with data up to 2013. strike 1000+ against pfutz. ; Quartermaster Research and Engineering Center (U.S.). This inescapably introduces what the LSE terms ‘structural instability’ into the heart of the model, and such instabilities become another source of divergences in model-run results. putting others down to elevate yourself. the contrary, the largest drop in Northern Hemisphere high latitudes summer insolation is observed after the last inter-glacial, ≈125kyrBP (Fig. It just satisfies modellers stuck in Model-Land because it looks plausible. Lately it has gone into reverse and started expanding. I found Cayambe as you pointed out. 10,000 – 110,000 years ago the northern hemisphere was covered in glacial ice and extensive sea ice, covering the Nordic seas. Sign of the times, sigh. The rapid cooling has started, as predicted by everyone who looked at the real temperature patterns and not at the fake Mann hockey stick. You haven’t provided any evidence for CO2 warming yet, pfutz. Thank god Trump came along when he did. They are generally small, but often have snowparks and performance camps. [William O Field; Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory (U.S.); U.S. Army Engineer Topographic Laboratories. A NASA oceanographer, a glaciologist and a climateologist walk into a bar. The fastest-shrinking glacier in Greenland has made an unexpected turn. Yea, foolish mortals, Noah’s flood is not yet subsided; two thirds of the fair world it yet covers.’ H/t Herman Melville. As an expert OMG (and I just love that), I wonder if he’s heard of the southern circum polar current? It’s interesting that they are announcing this growing glacier now, just as they have “found the reason/excuse” but not for the last few years when it was growing but they didn’t have an answer. However,I just feel – yes, foolishly I feel – that someone, somewhere has to be doing some generating, some producing, some making for the world to really work. Anzacs ‘killers’: lecturer Outwash. I covered this last December, with further data. The nerds have the numbers on precious metals investments on the ASX, Jakobshavn Glacier, Greenland Image: NASA. Downwelling IR radiation cannot heat water. And as we all know, there is absolutely zero-evidence that humans or human CO2 have anything to do with it. That’s the surprising answer though. NOW 50% OFF! The glacier over Montreal was 3.2km thick just 10,000 years ago. Dave, so glad you found that funny too! Interesting that it was losing ice back in 1851 to 1913 when atmospheric CO2 levels were much lower, below 300 ppm. The most deadly point: The most tragic waste of human resources in history to pay for endless parties around the world celebrating the religion of climate scientology. These include: Fox Glacier Franz Josef Glacier Hooker Glacier Mueller Glacier Murchison Glacier Tasman Glacier Volta Glacier If adopted by a future Labor government, it would encourage carbon abatement from power generation without the political risk of forcing the electricity sector to make greater emissions cuts than other sectors.”. please explain Josh Willis? A glacier growing. The Australian. It was discovered in 1853 by an American expedition headed by Elisha Kent Kane. So 30 or 40 years of warming was wiped out just like that? Here are some of the Southern Hemisphere’s most accessible glaciers. If only “scientists™” would spend some time trying to predict the next orbital arrangement of the solar system that will see us plunge into the next ice age. Comprehension level is ZERO, just like his evidence level. in 2016. A glacier is fed by the precipitation (snow to mere mortals like us) up at the top so if precipitation increased so did the length of the glacier — geology 101. Simple explanation is the even the Dumbocrat senators KNOW that the “Green New Deal” is a load of hyper-expensive, economy-destroying, idiotic nonsense, to counter a non-existent non-problem. It’s a short report – just over 1 minute – of day 1 (today in Brisbane) of Peter Ridd’s court case against JCU (James Cook University). Cirques. It’s that bad. The warm parcel of air will then rise up away from the ocean. Dave B. All despite the steady and natural rise of CO2 caused by ocean warming and unaffected by hamburgers, cow farts, motor cars and the utterly pointless construction of half a million windmills and more money than any other project on the planet since WW2. 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